COLLAB2021 – Red Hot Chili Peppers – House Accessories Team

[Beau Kromberg]

@lucky I’m definitely way down the water wheel rabbit hole. To a certain extent physics can be tossed out the window, but I really need to rationalize some of it cause it plays into the aesthetic.  Here’s where I’m at:

If you look at the paddles themselves they are not angled uniformly which implies that they are on a bearing. There is one paddle in the back that is at an angle where you would be able to see the bearing, and it does in fact have a black dot there, which I seriously believe is an intentional bearing. 

This makes buckets make more sense, or at the very least something that utilizes a bearing to allow some wiggle room to drop off water so less energy is lost pulling it back up. Also, when this is animated, a slight tipping of the paddles with water drop-off would definitely look more appealing.

With that said, I’ve been playing with different paddles all night trying to find something that feels right. The closest thing I’ve found that seems kind of correct is to have a brace with a bearing that restricts the paddle from going back when it is taking on force, but allows it limited motion to then dip down to tip the water out. 

I think any general scoop shape will probably look like crap even once its busted out and detailed, because it would rely on the water to give it form. But it does bring me back full circle to…. are they really just buckets? I need to sleep on it. Hahahah 

[Carlo]

@lexicolopolis  Are we clear on the flow of the water? Looking at the art and the water pouring from the paddles I would think it flows van left to right. If so the buckets should be pointing the other way?

[ladymito]

First water wheel variant completed. What do you think? About 4600 verts

[Carlo]

Nice! You already thought about how everything is connected. 

[mishag]

Hey! My first try to make a lantern! Hard to see any details on the reference image, so feel free to drop any comment how can I improve this model! Thank you a lot!

https://cgcookie.com/questions/14231-collab2021-wip-mishag

[mishag]

Really like how it looks! Good job!

[Beau Kromberg]

@lucky Yeah — you are correct — but then flipping the “scoop shape” wouldn’t create the desired shape on the pour out.  Another reason to probably not use the shape type. I had been staring at things way too long when I made those ones and flipped them to get the correct profile for pouring, without contemplating its implications on the underwater part.

Using a brace / bracket that just locks the paddle direction still makes sense though — as depicted in the other paddle type. I think the key thing involving the freedom of motion off of the bearing is that its set more inward and not central to the paddle. That would force it to be more top heavy,  tilting it downward until it approaches the upward angles. I think anyway. 

I think my plan is to do a quick dirty animation of static paddles vs ones on an axel / bearing and then pull the trigger on what direction I’m going.  But at this point,  “simple but believable”is what i should be doing.  XD

[Beau Kromberg]

Everything I’ve seen is one support and the other side running straight into the building,  often with masonry accents on its point of entry through the wall. 

[Mona Loren]

Hello  Red Hot Chili Peppers 😉 

I´ve just posted my Day2-Wip with  a comparison of  some versions. I am still not sure. As mishag mentioned the details on the artwork are not really clear, as well as the water wheel.  So I think at the  end I will go with something with decent polycount and fits the style of  the artwork. Must  be appealing as Kent mentioned often.

Lanterns-Wip-Day2

[Peter Varga]

wow, everyone did such thorough research!

I’ll try and contribute something (here) to that, although, can’t really imagine what _could_ be added at this point…
: )
My “research” (a part of an hour of looking at what ‘water wheel’ returns across a few image stocks) was more focused on how things look (with how they work being secondary, task at hand considered; so far the single eureka moment on the engineering side being the single support) and how the, what I’ve thought of as and named “irregularities” may actually have been intentional (@lexicolopolis I am too now convinced, after parsing through your shared findings, that the angles “offset” is indeed because of the bucket type… if or how would I incorporate that into the my model- not sure as of yet; @lucky I too believe the flow of the water to be left -> right; @ladymito I concur that keeping it simple, especially in the scope of creating a part in a greater whole, may as well be the north star, overriding the urge to represent mechanisms and such accurately. I am just a little surprised already (not having actually made a single vertex yet : ) how deep the water wheel rabbit hole can get opposed to the elegant and deceptively effortless looking representation as painted)

[Peter Varga]

btw, if there is (and, it’s possible that I’m overlooking something obvious:) a way to get the painting in a higher resolution (what I have is 715px tall, from the gdrive) please point me to it…
: )

[Peter Varga]

I think they look great!
whichever version you pick, or a completely new one occurs…
: )

[Peter Varga]

looking at it now, it’s difficult to tell if they’re lids or contents (grain for example)…

[Peter Varga]

it IS difficult to see (the source) which gives you artistic license!
; )
looking good!

[Mona Loren]

As Peter mentioned. I am also at the lanterns and not sure about some details . Guess we have some room for interpretations.

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