@procyonlotor its still not working . maybe its handy to show to file so maybe you see someting i dont .
this is the one that you mention above
node setup John Sanderson
and this one is the one i got as close as i could get but in the end the last add shader isnt doing what i was thinking .
Node setup 2 fail
not sure if the blood splat is included in the file . if not this is the image
