@theluthier Welp it didn’t like my plants the morning, would crash every time I tried to move them. Sooo I had to move the scene around the plants :(. Then later in the day it decided to despise my urchin instead:/ I then could move my plants but not the urchin….finally I was able to select the urchin and delete it..now all is well and I have a new urcin lolz ..spanks blender..:D